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JEHOVAH'S
WITNESSES AND CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE
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Parliamentary
Under Secretary of State,
Home
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Jehovah's
Witnesses
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Programme
Title: "Suffer the little children"
Programme Producer: PANORAMA BBC1
Transmission Date:
[INTRO]
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): Two years ago elders from this church heard a shocking
story. This young woman told them her father was sexually abusing her. The
elders called her a liar.
ALISON
COUSINS (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): What are you
meant, meant to do then if he's doing something wrong? And they said "Come
to us and we'll deal with it." And I said to them "Well, I've already
spo
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): The elders sent her home to her father. They didn't tell
her that three years earlier he'd confessed to them that he was abusing her
sister.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER):
BILL
BOWEN (JEHOVAH'S WITNESS ELDER 1984-2000): It's a world-wide problem that is of
epidemic proportions within the organization and no one knows about it, unless
your child is molested.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER):
GIRL
(VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): We'd pray together,
kind of thing, I mean we prayed before meals and we'd pray before going to bed,
and ask God for help and ask God for forgiveness for anything we've done wrong
that day. It was very strict. I was scared of my dad for years. I was really
frightened of him.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): She and her sister spent hours playing alone. Their father
taught them that outside influences were bad. He prohibited friendships outside
the church. But, from the age of 11, her make-believe games hid a painful truth
- her father had started to abuse her.
GIRL
(VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): I was in my bed one
night and that's when my dad came through and started touching me and feeling
me. I just lay there hoping that he'd go away.
GIRL
(VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY) [in Official Witness
Statement at Selkirk's Police Office]: Over the years since I was 11 until I was
15 my dad had done things to me that he shouldn't have done like rub my breasts,
finger me and try to have sex with me. I remember when we were in
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): Were you scared?
GIRL
(VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): Terrified! There was
one thing my dad told me, if I'd ever told anyone about this he would break me
apart.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): For years she kept quiet, but one Sunday, after a meeting
at the Kingdom Hall, she asked to see church elders. She needed their help.
GIRL
(VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): And I just told them
everything that happened.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): Did they tell you that this was serious, that you should
go to the police, that they would go to the police
for you?
GIRL
(VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): No, they didn't tell
me anything like that. They didn't make any mention of the police.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): They said they'd deal with it.
GIRL
(VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): Yes. After that they
called my father in, and they had a very, very long chat with him. Then
eventually they came out and we went home and that was the end of it.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): When confronted, Ian Cousins confessed he was abusing his
daughter. He said he was sorry, so the elders sent him home with her. The abuse
continued. Cousins was reproved or admonished publicly by the elders, but church
policy meant that no one was told why, not even his younger daughter.
ALISON
COUSINS (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): It was
announced on the platform that Ian Cousins had been reproved, and after that I
went to one of the elders and asked, well, "why has he been reproved?".
And he said "It's because of something he did wrong" but he wouldn't
tell me what it was.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): Even when her sister moved out, sick of the abuse, Alison
still didn't know why. She missed her sister and was lonely. With one daughter
gone, Ian Cousins turned on the other. It all began with an innocent goodnight
kiss.
ALISON
COUSINS (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): I gave him a
kiss, like a peck on the lips and then I tried to get up to walk away and he
pulled me down and he forced his tongue through my teeth, my clenched teeth, and
he tried to put the blame on me and said "Did you really think you should
be doing that?"
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): He blamed you?
ALISON
COUSINS (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): Yes.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): It wasn't long before the abuse got worse. One day her
father was accused of assaulting one of Alison's friends. She had to do
something but had no where to turn - nowhere, except the Kingdom Hall. She asked
to see a church elder.
ALISON
COUSINS (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): I told him
everything that had happened and what my dad had done to me and he said that he
didn't believe me at all and he said that I was a liar, and that my dad would
never do such a thing and my dad was such a nice man.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): Like her sister, she was sent home. Her father - "the
nice man" - was free to continue abusing her. So she gave the elders an
ultimatum: either they did something or she'd go to the police. They did
nothing.
ALISON
COUSINS (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY) [in Official
Police Statement]: I have told the police about my dad because I am concerned
that he has contact with other young girls through the church.
DETECTIVE
SERGEANT WALLACE BURGESS (STRATHCLYDE POLICE): Some of these people gave good
statements and very, very positive in their attitude in support of Alison and
her sister. Other people felt that they didn't want to be involved and gave a
negative statement and some people refused to speak to us altogether.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): Why?
DETECTIVE
SERGEANT WALLACE BURGESS (STRATHCLYDE POLICE): I've no idea why. They just
refuse to speak to the police.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): Were they Jehovah's Witnesses?
DETECTIVE
SERGEANT WALLACE BURGESS (STRATHCLYDE POLICE): I believe they were.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): But they wouldn't help.
DETECTIVE
SERGEANT WALLACE BURGESS (STRATHCLYDE POLICE): They wouldn't give a statement to
us, no.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): Only during the police investigation did the whole story
become clear to Alison Cousins. Only now did she discover her sister had been
abused too. Only now did she find out that her father confessed to elders 3
years earlier, yet no one had warned her, his next victim.
ALISON
COUSINS (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): Nobody told
me anything. They all basically kept it all under wraps and told nobody what had
happened.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): What they did was keep a record of her father's name and
confession on a church database - a register of suspected and convicted
pedophiles to be monitored. We asked Alison Cousins to obtain a copy of he
DETECTIVE
SERGEANT WALLACE BURGESS (STRATHCLYDE POLICE): I believe we were the last to
know. They had told several people before coming to the police, and these people
had not reported it either to the police or the social services. We have a duty
to protect, and if we're not told we are unable to protect.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER):
BILL
BOWEN (JEHOVAH'S WITNESS ELDER 1984-2000): They do not want people to know that
they have this problem, and by covering it up they just hurt one person. By
letting it out, then they hurt the image of the church.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): Elders must report abuse to the church's legal desk. Only
if the law demands it must they contact the police. If it doesn't, they be
told they have a moral duty to call them, but often it seems to stop here. It
seems to go no further than the church's own secret database.
BILL
BOWEN (JEHOVAH'S WITNESS ELDER 1984-2000): Every detail is written down about
what happened, where it happened, when it happened, how it happened.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): So you're saying the organization has its own sexual
offenders register if you like.
BILL
BOWEN (JEHOVAH'S WITNESS ELDER 1984-2000): That's exactly right.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): That it's keeping to itself and not showing others.
BILL
BOWEN (JEHOVAH'S WITNESS ELDER 1984-2000): Exactly right. These men remain
anonymous to anyone outside the organization and anyone really inside the
organization unless you're personally reporting the matter.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): So was this the policy back in
JONATHAN
BRIGGS (JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PRESIDING OVERSEER): I know that.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): We just want to ask you a few questions about the Ian
Cousins Case.
JONATHAN
BRIGGS (JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PRESIDING OVERSEER): It's reasonable to really
actually consider the brothers and sisters in the congregation that have had to
undergo all this pressure. So I would just leave it at that. That's all I have
to say on the matter.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): The database, Mr Briggs, why
should the Jehovah's Witnesses keep a database of men who have confessed to
being pedophiles but the police aren't told? Do you think that's reasonable behaviour
Mr Briggs?
JONATHAN
BRIGGS (JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PRESIDING OVERSEER): [Declines to respond, turns and
retreats into the Kingdom Hall]
[
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): The latest name added to the list should be that of James
Barrett. Three days ago, clutching his Bible, this elder from
BILL
BOWEN (JEHOVAH'S WITNESS ELDER 1984-2000): Twenty-three thousand, seven hundred
and twenty.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): How do you know that?
BILL
BOWEN (JEHOVAH'S WITNESS ELDER 1984-2000): I was contacted by sources within the
church. I was given a figure of over 20,000. Two different sources came back to
me and said that number is actually more specific and gave me a figure of
23,720. They told me that they had accessed the internal database and that
figure was based on child molesters in the
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): Over 20,000 names on a secret database. That's why these
people say the church has to listen. With Bill Bowen, they're calling for the
Jehovah's Witnesses to come clean about thei
BILL
BOWEN (JEHOVAH'S WITNESS ELDER 1984-2000): Or it's what they're doing, once it's
found out, causing their own members to be deeply disturbed.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): Heather Berry and her stepsister Holly Brewer have flown
here from
HEATHER
BERRY (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): I'm Heather
from
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): They're the first of those survivors to take their fight
to court. They're claiming that not only did the church do nothing when they
were abused, it ostracized and punished the family
when they called the police.
HEATHER
BERRY (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): I'm very glad I
came, and like I said, I would do it again, and again, and again, and as many
times as it takes to get a change in the policies and things that they hide
constantly.
HOLLY
BREWER (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): I'm really
glad that the policy was talked about so much today, that it's an actually
policy, it's not just a few elders that want to hide things. It comes from
higher-up.
HEATHER
BERRY (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): It's a
world-wide policy.
HOLLY
BREWER (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): Yes.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): We asked the church for an interview to discuss the claims
that they're putting thousands of children at risk. They offered us instead some
video tapes. Here we have it, a box full of tapes in fact, Jehovah's Witnesses
response, progressive understanding of pedophilia, education through
publications, and one marked 'policies' and I'm told that's where we should get
some answers. That night we watched the tapes, looking for those answers. In
long letters, the organization had told us the welfare of children is of
paramount concern to them, that they have a forceful child protection policy. We
wanted to see it spelled out.
J.R.
BROWN (WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY'S OFFICIAL SPOKESPERSON): We've
heard the suggestion that our policies may not be adequate to cover the problem
of child molestation, but that's not the case all.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): The policy couldn't be simpler. The elders should deal
with all allegations of abuse.
M.R.
INFANTE (JEHOVAH'S WITNESS): I think that's a very good policy, that the elders
essentially would take charge of the situation of reporting the abuse to the
authorities.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): But the authorities they're told to contact aren't the
police, it's their own legal desk.
J.R.
BROWN (WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY'S OFFICIAL SPOKESPERSON): The fact
of the matter is, we have a very aggressive policy to handle child molestation
in the congregation, and it is primarily designed to protect our children.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): So how aggressive is it in practice? Just over a year ago
Bill Bowen rang the legal desk in
REPRESENTATIVE
AT THE LEGAL DESK AT WATCHTOWER HEADQUARTERS IN
BILL
BOWEN (JEHOVAH'S WITNESS ELDER 1984-2000): Yep.
REPRESENTATIVE
AT THE LEGAL DESK AT WATCHTOWER HEADQUARTERS IN
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): "Leave it for Jehovah". That, according to
thousands of victims, is the Jehovah's Witness child protection policy laid
bare. No one knows more about that than Sara Poisson. Holly Brewer and Heather
Berry's mother knows her loyalty to the church cost her daughters dearly. Paul
Berry, her husband, beat them. She suspect worse, that Heather was being
sexually abused and went to the elders.
SARA
POISSON (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): I could tell
from their looks on their faces that I had done a bad thing,
that I had spo
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): She couldn't convince them, but she was convinced that
Paul Berry was sexually abusing their daughter, Heather.
HEATHER
BERRY (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): When I was
about 3 years old I started displaying behavior that no 3 year old in thei
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): And all the while, you were going to the Kingdom Hall
every Sunday.
HEATHER
BERRY (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): We were.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): You were going to meetings during the week.
HEATHER
BERRY (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): We were going
out on door-to-door service.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): Time and again, the girls were told to wait outside while
their mother begged local elders for help. Time and again, they saw her sent
home to pray harder and be a better wife. Holly, too, had her own story to tell,
the story she'd kept secret from her mother, the story she knew by now the
elders wouldn't want to hear. Her instinct was to tell the local policeman, but,
after years in the church, she just couldn't.
DETECTIVE
SERGEANT JACK ZELLER (KEENE POLICE DEPARTMENT, NEW HAMPSHIRE): Holly would
actually tell me that she was very angry about things at home and she did on
more than several occasions tell me that "Some day, Sergeant Zeller, I'm
going to tell you something that happened to me" and I always told Holly,
"When you're ready, I'll be there. You know where I am."
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): Her mother saw the elders more than a dozen times, but
remarkably it never strong Sarah Poisson to look for help outside the church.
You can say that your children's lives are in danger, and in the same breath
that you couldn't possibly go to the police. How can that be?
SARA
POISSON (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): Because God
would not want that. It would never have occurred to me, and even if it had, I
would not have done it because he's a man. He's a baptized male and he's a
ministerial servant and I was a woman and they're kids, and that's even worse
than being a woman. "These things need to stay in this room" - I've
heard that many, many times. "You need to pray about it more." I can
show you my Bible, it's paper thin. I still have it.
It's all worn out. I did a lot of praying.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): Even after you had told them that her father was sexually
abusing Heather, nothing changed?
SARA
POISSON (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): No, no. Well
yeah, things changed, they got a lot worse, for me.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): In the end, the decision was ta
SARA
POISSON (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): At that
point, I had to make decision between God and my kids. And I knew..
well, at that time I knew, that if I chose my kids, I
don't have prayer, but I didn't care anymore. So we lost everything in one day.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): Sarah Poisson had no life outside the Kingdom Hall. When
the congregation cast her out she had no choice but to move away. She didn't
just lose every friend she had, overnight she was
homeless, penniless, scraping a living to bring up her children. The friends
they'd had, openly shunned them. But with the family now free of the church
Holly could finally tell her mother the truth: her stepfather had abused her
too. When he tried to gain access to her younger sister, Holly finally did what
the elders hadn't - she walked into the local police station.
DETECTIVE
SERGEANT JACK ZELLER (
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): The Holly Brewer who walked into his office that day was a
very changed, a very defiant young woman.
HOLLY
BREWER (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): My earliest
memory is like about 3 years old, my latest memory is 10 years old, and he
gradually worked into being interested in me to full-blown sex, intercourse,
over those years.
[
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): It was a harrowing time. The police took Holly back to the
house where the abuse had started.
HOLLY
BREWER (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): He had a room
that he had found in a very, very old house that was underneath the barn that
you'd crawl through a hole to get to, and once you were in there, you were
isolated from the entire house, and from everything, and that's where everything
would go down.
[
WOMAN
POLICE OFFICER (NEW HAMPSHIRE POLICE): Would he kneel down on, next to you, or
over you?
HOLLY
BREWER (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): He'd like sit
like this... and let me do..
WOMAN
POLICE OFFICER (NEW HAMPSHIRE POLICE): All right
HOLLY
BREWER (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): and then he'd
lean over..
WOMAN
POLICE OFFICER (NEW HAMPSHIRE POLICE): And did he tell you what he wanted you to
do?
HOLLY
BREWER (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): I knew after a
while.
WOMAN
POLICE OFFICER (
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): She told the police exactly what
HOLLY
BREWER (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): I had no
vision of me growing up and being 16. I thought he was eventually going to kill
me, you know - and then I'd be free and that's the way I looked at it.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): It's really hard to come back here now.
HOLLY
BREWER (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): I know. He'd
say things like "Thank you for obeying me" and he'd thank me for
obeying him and reminding me of that word, that "obey" word. That was
a big thing.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): Paul Berry was confident Holly would never go to the
elders. Apart from anything else, the Jehovah's Witnesses have a clea
HOLLY
BREWER (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): All the way up
to here..
WOMAN
POLICE OFFICER (NEW HAMPSHIRE POLICE): So, this is the same piece of material..
All right.
DETECTIVE
SERGEANT JACK ZELLER (
WOMAN
POLICE OFFICER (NEW HAMPSHIRE POLICE): Even with just the child's word, with one
witness, with just the mother's word, without the two witnesses their Bible
tells them they need?
DETECTIVE
SERGEANT JACK ZELLER (
WOMAN
POLICE OFFICER (NEW HAMPSHIRE POLICE): It took nearly 4 years for the case to
come to court. Paul Berry faced 17 charges of aggravated sexual assault.
SARA
POISSON (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): I was holding
Holly's hand and she had a lot of pointy rings on, and she was squeezing my hand
really tightly, and it took them a long time to get through the verdict because
there were so many indictments, and when it was over my hand was all blood and I
didn't even feel it. And it was so powerful to be believed.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): But not everyone did believe them, even after he was
convicted by a jury on all 17 indictments. Two dozen members of the Kingdom Hall
turned up at the sentencing hearing. They all appeared to give character
statements for Paul Berry.
DETECTIVE
SERGEANT JACK ZELLER (
HOLLY
BREWER (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): Everything
they were saying was "He's such a fine worker, I've worked with him
secularly and he always shows up to work on time, he's such a good worker."
Everybody said that and also the second half was everybody started saying
"He's baby-sat our kids hundreds of times. I would let him baby-sit
our kids every day, and he's such a good worker." And I was just sitting
there like.. he's not on
trial for being a negligent worker.
DETECTIVE
SERGEANT JACK ZELLER (
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): But another serious accusation is levelled
against Jehovah's Witnesses. In their efforts to cover-up abuse, they may even
try to frustrate police investigations. In
SERGEANT
STEVE COLLEY (WEST MIDLANDS POLICE): They were very reluctant to give up any
information towards me. It was an uphill battle so far as the church was
concerned, with me, virtually at every turn. They actually said to me unless I
provide two Jehovah's Witnesses who'd actually seen the offense, then
as far as they were concerned the offense hadn't ta
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): The boy was Simon Brady. He was just 9 when he was abused
by a member of this Kingdom Hall. He felt he could tel
SIMON
BRADY We're taught if you go to elders, if you want to be believed or you have a
complaint about someone, then there has to be more than one of you, there has to
be two people. There has to be more than one witness, basically, you know. What
can I say? They want more than one witness, you know..
every time I've gone to them, you know.. they
wouldn't have believed me. Statement of Simon Andrew Brady,
aged 18.
SIMON
BRADY (in Official Police Statement): I recall that one of the brothers of the
congregation, a man known to me as Jaswant Patty
began to take an interest in me. I would have been 8 or 9 years old at the time.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): Simon Brady's parents were going through a divorce. Jaswant
Patty offered to help out, take him off his mother's hands.
SIMON
BRADY (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): He'd take me
for drives after the meetings, he'd take me home from the congregation, you know..
give me a lift home. I can remember on one occasion
he took me to his sister's flat while she was away on holiday. He said we'd go
in and we'd check his sister's flat, and there he really sexually abused me
basically.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): What did he do?
SIMON
BRADY (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): It was quite
severe, to be honest with you, it was severe. So even now, to think of it, I
don't.. you know.. it
hurts now to talk about it, to be honest with you, and I've done that once
already. I find it very hard to talk about it any more, basically. He dropped me
off at home. I remember going to the bathroom and scrubbing with Dettol,
because I felt dirty at what had happened.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): For years he said nothing, afraid the elders wouldn't
believe him. When he finally did speak out, his instinct as a 9 year old proved
right.
SIMON
BRADY (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): It's not so
much did they believe me. Did they want to believe me? They didn't want to
believe me. I think in terms of my house, you know.. they
weren't open-minded and I think they'd already made their mind up even before
they got to my house.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): The police did believe him, and they tracked down a second
boy who'd been abused by Patty. But what happened next caused them serious
concern. An elder confronted the victim's father, calling the man's son a liar.
The father complained to the police, who warned the elder to stay away from the
victim's families. His excuse was that, as an elder, he had every right to
investigate the case for himself.
SERGEANT
STEVE COLLEY (WEST MIDLANDS POLICE): It was his duty to test the evidence prior
to the court case. I advised him that if that sort of behaviour
continued, then if an allegation had been formally made, then I would have to
investigate that particular person for offenses to pervert the course of
justice, and in fact witness intimidation. The conversation did get a little bit
heated towards the end, but obviously I'd a duty to protect my complainants and
witnesses to the case. I made sure and sent out the signal that I was prepared
to protect them and take drastic steps, i.e. arresting people, if they breached
that.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): In Birmingham, as in
SIMON
BRADY (VICTIM OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESS PEDOPHILE-PROTECTION POLICY): There's Nice
McGivern saying "As a body of elders - that's including every elder in Rubery
- we feel as a body of elders that basically this man is innocent, we believe
he's innocent, and the Bethel have informed us they will do everything in their
power to help this man".
SERGEANT
STEVE COLLEY (WEST MIDLANDS POLICE): I then made it my duty to actually speak to
the Legal Services Team of the
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): Under police pressure, the elders did apologize and were
demoted though not sacked. The
PAUL
GILLIES (WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY'S OFFICIAL SPOKESPERSON): The
elders' guideline is: if you get any single allegation of child abuse come to
your attention, phone this office.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): Why phone this office? Why not phone your local police
station?
PAUL
GILLIES (WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY'S OFFICIAL SPOKESPERSON): Well,
you see the first thing is we have to make sure for the protection of the child,
that's our first priority.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): Is it the protection of the child... is it fair to ask
you, isn't it the protection of the church that comes straight to mind there?
PAUL
GILLIES (WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY'S OFFICIAL SPOKESPERSON): It is
the protection of the child. We have a child protection policy.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): It was a long conversation and we asked if he'd be
prepared to answer the same questions on camera. He refused. So it was back to
TED
JARACZ (MEMBER OF THE SUPREME GOVERNING BODY OF THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES): You
know, you're from
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): So when allegations of abuse are made, is it alright to
keep them private?
TED
JARACZ (LEADING MEMBER OF THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES): I
think you were answered. That question was answered strictly to your
satisfaction.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): Can you answer it now?
TED
JARACZ (LEADING MEMBER OF THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES): I'm
not going to repeat. I'll just tell you exactly and you will see it in writing.
It is all in print. You know the Bible says "Do not go beyond the things
that are written."? We don't go beyond the things that are written.
BETSAN
POWYS (BBC REPORTER): And that was that. No doubt, no second thoughts. Just
a simple belief that Jehovah will sort it out, a belief for which others,
younger and more vulnerable, may continue to pay a price.
BILL
BOWEN (JEHOVAH'S WITNESS ELDER 1984-2000): They're living in denial, denial of
what's happening to their children, and it's not a matter..
you see, if they accept that, then they accept that
there is a problem. So rather than admit that there's a problem, they will just
let children go on and continue to be molested and not do anything about it.